Hi,

On Saturday 07 July 2012 14:12:53 Guido Iribarren wrote: [...]

First result on google for "openmesh" yields www.open-mesh.com which might be what you're looking for (i didn't read your hole thread)

First thing: open-mesh.com != open-mesh.org (in any useful definition that comes to my mind right now).

Then to the rest of the related thread part:

The description used by Juliusz Chroboczek seems to sound for some people like a black and white situation. On the one site the commercial driven B.A.T.M.A.N. guys that just it for profit/customers and on the bright site the science team of babel that will bring us a better future.

I cannot speak for the babel people (maybe they will bring us a better tommorrow... or a zombie apocalypse). But at least the B.A.T.M.A.N. people have a more grayish aura. So we don't have a big company owning/developing B.A.T.M.A.N. related software. But it can happen that a company/organization will give money to individual persons. For example Google is currently paying three projects as part of the GSOC 2012. This does not mean that we get payed to merge some solution that we don't like... they just payed someone. And I would guess that the two bigger things in the last time were also rewarded (maybe using money or some kind of other compensation). These were the two research projects from Italy (TT by Antonio Quartulli) and Denmark (catwoman/network coding by Martin Hundebøll and Jeppe Ledet-Pedersen). I will not judge whether this makes B.A.T.M.A.N. commercial or not, but it does not mean that there is a B.A.T.M.A.N. Inc.

And I also find the words "customers" a little bit harsh to describe our users. Yes, there are companies that use our code to add new functionality to their products. I don't know them (at least most of the time) and some of them are even ignoring the GPL license. But still they are not our customers in sense of a common customer-supplier relationship with a monetary or other valuable consideration. Maybe these companies have them (at least I hope so.. otherwise they should think about their strategy again). Will we still hear at what these companies say? Yes, when it is something good. But most of the time users like Guido Iribarren give more valuable feedback. But still, there is no B.A.T.M.A.N. Inc. or customers that tell us what to do... ok, there is a David S. Miller but this is another story.

So to give a summary: * We don't have a big ACME Coporation behind us that controls everything * still some people get some kind of consideration for some of their work relating to B.A.T.M.A.N.

And no, this is not against your statement Juliusz. I just want to bring some more light so other people can better understand the situation. Your statement is not really my problem, but the interpretation of some people. So no need for anyone to make this a big thread (at least I will not read it).

Kind regards, Sven