Hey there,
as most of us are concentrating batman-advanced now, Marek suggested that we should create a new logo for our next generation mesh technology. ;)
The "old" ascii logo is still great, but most people associate it with the layer 3 BATMAN ...
Therefore, I made some sketches and would like to ask for opinions from the list. Any comments, suggestions, criticism are welcome. My current draft is this one:
http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3.jpg
you can find some more sketches here (maybe you like another sketch more ...):
http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/
looking forward to your feedback, Simon
Hi,
Therefore, I made some sketches and would like to ask for opinions from the list. Any comments, suggestions, criticism are welcome. My current draft is this one:
personally, I like this one the most. The feedback gathered from bystanders goes into the same direction.
Anyone another opinion or suggestions ?
Cheers, Marek
Hello,
Marek, thank you for your feedback (also thanks to others who sent me messages in private).
As per Martin Hundebolls suggestion I've added a version with a (visually) separated head, tell me what you think. :)
http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3_headsep.jpg
BTW, we will also need a vector version from the final logo, anyone volunteering? :)
Cheers, Simon
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 06:37:44PM +0200, Marek Lindner wrote:
Hi,
Therefore, I made some sketches and would like to ask for opinions from the list. Any comments, suggestions, criticism are welcome. My current draft is this one:
personally, I like this one the most. The feedback gathered from bystanders goes into the same direction.
Anyone another opinion or suggestions ?
Cheers, Marek
Hi guys,
I would be happy to make you a clean vector version! Suddenly this is perhaps my only contribution to batman-adv at the moment :-)
Regards, Franz
Am 2011-09-28 10:36, schrieb Sven Eckelmann:
On Wednesday 28 September 2011 10:21:57 Simon Wunderlich wrote:
BTW, we will also need a vector version from the final logo, anyone volunteering? :)
A vector version is not really a problem... a clean vector version would be more work ;)
Kind regards, Sven
Hello Sven, Franz,
wow, so many people volunteering! Sven, thank you for your work! We will need something to give to the print services for the merchandise, but I have no experience which format they will expect.
However, I'd suggest to wait with the conversion until we have decided on the final logo. Otherwise we will have to convert again and again ...
Thanks! Simon
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:49:51AM +0200, fboehm wrote:
Hi guys,
I would be happy to make you a clean vector version! Suddenly this is perhaps my only contribution to batman-adv at the moment :-)
Regards, Franz
Am 2011-09-28 10:36, schrieb Sven Eckelmann:
On Wednesday 28 September 2011 10:21:57 Simon Wunderlich wrote:
BTW, we will also need a vector version from the final logo, anyone volunteering? :)
A vector version is not really a problem... a clean vector version would be more work ;)
Kind regards, Sven
Hi,
a good print service should be happy with PDF, EPS, PS and of course professional file formats like Adobe Illustrator. Fortunately a black and white doesn't need any color calibration :-) I would go with PDF because this way it's most easy and failsafe for everyone to preview the file.
By the way. If you think about stickers, foil-cuttings or stencils for airbrush, it would be better to not have the Bats head separated from the body.
Regards, Franz
Am 2011-09-28 11:42, schrieb Simon Wunderlich:
Hello Sven, Franz,
wow, so many people volunteering! Sven, thank you for your work! We will need something to give to the print services for the merchandise, but I have no experience which format they will expect.
However, I'd suggest to wait with the conversion until we have decided on the final logo. Otherwise we will have to convert again and again ...
Thanks! Simon
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:49:51AM +0200, fboehm wrote:
Hi guys,
I would be happy to make you a clean vector version! Suddenly this is perhaps my only contribution to batman-adv at the moment :-)
Regards, Franz
Am 2011-09-28 10:36, schrieb Sven Eckelmann:
On Wednesday 28 September 2011 10:21:57 Simon Wunderlich wrote:
BTW, we will also need a vector version from the final logo, anyone volunteering? :)
A vector version is not really a problem... a clean vector version would be more work ;)
Kind regards, Sven
Hi,
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:21:57 +0200, Simon Wunderlich wrote:
BTW, we will also need a vector version from the final logo, anyone volunteering? :)
I can do some tampering with inkscape :)
// Hundebøll
Cheers, Simon
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 06:37:44PM +0200, Marek Lindner wrote:
Hi,
Therefore, I made some sketches and would like to ask for opinions
from
the list. Any comments, suggestions, criticism are welcome. My
current
draft is this one:
personally, I like this one the most. The feedback gathered from bystanders goes into the same direction.
Anyone another opinion or suggestions ?
Cheers, Marek
Hey Martin,
wow, thanks for the quick reply, that would be great! Lets just wait until we have a final decision.
With the vector logo, we can print t-shirts, flags, cups, ... all the merchandise we need :D
Simon
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:38:16AM +0200, Martin Hundebøll wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:21:57 +0200, Simon Wunderlich wrote:
BTW, we will also need a vector version from the final logo, anyone volunteering? :)
I can do some tampering with inkscape :)
// Hundebøll
Cheers, Simon
On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 06:37:44PM +0200, Marek Lindner wrote:
Hi,
Therefore, I made some sketches and would like to ask for
opinions from
the list. Any comments, suggestions, criticism are welcome. My
current
draft is this one:
personally, I like this one the most. The feedback gathered from bystanders goes into the same direction.
Anyone another opinion or suggestions ?
Cheers, Marek
Hi,
As per Martin Hundebolls suggestion I've added a version with a (visually) separated head, tell me what you think. :)
I still prefer the previous version. The separate head requires more attention before the picture becomes clear. At first sight it looks a bit "unusual". IMHO a logo should be "obvious" right from the start.
Regards, Marek
Hey there,
as suggested by Sven, here is the final modification - a little bit smaller feet, which should be more aerodynamic. So far, most ppl voted against the head separation, so we will skip it.
http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3_smallfeet.jpg
I'd like to call a final vote between small and big feet. The winning version will be our new logo. After all these comments and modifications I think we can call it a real open source logo ... ;)
Cheers, Simon
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 07:31:50PM +0200, Marek Lindner wrote:
Hi,
As per Martin Hundebolls suggestion I've added a version with a (visually) separated head, tell me what you think. :)
I still prefer the previous version. The separate head requires more attention before the picture becomes clear. At first sight it looks a bit "unusual". IMHO a logo should be "obvious" right from the start.
Regards, Marek
Hey,
attached you find my first try of vectorization and simplification of the smallfeet-version. It has very low vector count but perhaps it's already too much different to the artists concept.
Regards, Franz
Am 2011-09-28 21:43, schrieb Simon Wunderlich:
Hey there,
as suggested by Sven, here is the final modification - a little bit smaller feet, which should be more aerodynamic. So far, most ppl voted against the head separation, so we will skip it.
http://packetmixer.de/batlogo/bat_gimped3_smallfeet.jpg
I'd like to call a final vote between small and big feet. The winning version will be our new logo. After all these comments and modifications I think we can call it a real open source logo ... ;)
Cheers, Simon
On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 07:31:50PM +0200, Marek Lindner wrote:
Hi,
As per Martin Hundebolls suggestion I've added a version with a (visually) separated head, tell me what you think. :)
I still prefer the previous version. The separate head requires more attention before the picture becomes clear. At first sight it looks a bit "unusual". IMHO a logo should be "obvious" right from the start.
Regards, Marek
On Thursday 29 September 2011 07:51:58 fboehm wrote:
attached you find my first try of vectorization and simplification of the smallfeet-version. It has very low vector count but perhaps it's already too much different to the artists concept.
Quite impressive work. I really like it. The wings look extreme good and the only "big" difference are the glasses (upper left frame, right earpiece), ears and back/tail.
Kind regards, Sven
Am 2011-09-29 11:35, schrieb Sven Eckelmann:
On Thursday 29 September 2011 07:51:58 fboehm wrote:
attached you find my first try of vectorization and simplification of the smallfeet-version. It has very low vector count but perhaps it's already too much different to the artists concept.
Quite impressive work. I really like it. The wings look extreme good and the only "big" difference are the glasses (upper left frame, right earpiece), ears and back/tail.
Kind regards, Sven
Thanks Sven!
The upper left frame of the glasses has the wrong shape. But perhaps the glasses should anyway be kept more angular shaped as in the original version and also a little bit larger so that they overlap the head more. Perhaps this was the artists intention and I don't want to interpret it wrong :-)
But nevertheless I was thinking about two small modifications: - Should the left wing also have a convex curve like the right wing instead of a concave? - Should the ears be a little bit curved like in the vector version or straight lines like in the original version?
Regards, Franz
Hello Franz,
thank you very much for your work! It looks really great and smooth!
Sven is currently at my place, so we have worked on some details together: * We've changed the glasses a little in some details * We have added an outline version to have the black logos on black/dark T-Shirts. :) * We have shortened the tail a little so that the outline does not create some "closed holes" * Seems we have decided on the "small" feet
Regarding your comments: * I'd like to keep it in the concave version for the left wing. We have tried the convex version (both might be somehow correct ;] ), but we like the original version more. * The ears look great the way you drew them!
Our version is uploaded here:
http://packetmixer.de/batlogo2/
We should keep the svg version as the "original"/"only" version and convert bitmaps from it if required.
I hope everybody liks this version, we can keep this then as the final version.
Cheers Simon
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 04:35:28PM +0200, fboehm wrote:
Am 2011-09-29 11:35, schrieb Sven Eckelmann:
On Thursday 29 September 2011 07:51:58 fboehm wrote:
attached you find my first try of vectorization and simplification of the smallfeet-version. It has very low vector count but perhaps it's already too much different to the artists concept.
Quite impressive work. I really like it. The wings look extreme good and the only "big" difference are the glasses (upper left frame, right earpiece), ears and back/tail.
Kind regards, Sven
Thanks Sven!
The upper left frame of the glasses has the wrong shape. But perhaps the glasses should anyway be kept more angular shaped as in the original version and also a little bit larger so that they overlap the head more. Perhaps this was the artists intention and I don't want to interpret it wrong :-)
But nevertheless I was thinking about two small modifications:
- Should the left wing also have a convex curve like the right wing
instead of a concave?
- Should the ears be a little bit curved like in the vector version
or straight lines like in the original version?
Regards, Franz
mmm the front shape of the two wings is different
the front of the left shape is like ) but should be (at moment the whole logo looks like )^-^) but should be like (^-^)
sorry to not be so clear but i am not native English speaker, and it's difficult for me to express clearly what i am trying to say, if i have time next days I'll do some sketch to be more clear but i hope you can understand what i am saying without that ;)
2011/10/2 Marek Lindner lindner_marek@yahoo.de:
On Sunday, October 02, 2011 00:03:16 Antonio Quartulli wrote:
On Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 11:47:04PM +0200, Simon Wunderlich wrote:
I hope everybody liks this version, we can keep this then as the final version.
I do :-) +1!
+1 :-)
Cheers, Marek
On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:25:57 Gioacchino Mazzurco wrote:
mmm the front shape of the two wings is different
the front of the left shape is like ) but should be (at moment the whole logo looks like )^-^) but should be like (^-^)
sorry to not be so clear but i am not native English speaker, and it's difficult for me to express clearly what i am trying to say, if i have time next days I'll do some sketch to be more clear but i hope you can understand what i am saying without that ;)
This was the concave/convex discussion. We came to the conclusion that the current way of drawing both wings is not wrong (perspective wise) and the artists likes the convex+concave wings more.
Just to explain the perspective: Get some tube and cut it to get something which looks like a halfpipe. Now take it and try get the same perspective used in the logo (put the "tube" horizontally in front of you, the open part of the "halfpipe" directly facing you and move your head slightly to the right). You will see that one end looks like a convex curve and the other one like a concave one.
Kind regards, Sven
yes but this is not a cutted tube
for the perspective I think that the shape shouldn't be affected so much, yes it is influenced but not so much like in the logo
2011/10/2 Sven Eckelmann sven@narfation.org:
On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:25:57 Gioacchino Mazzurco wrote:
mmm the front shape of the two wings is different
the front of the left shape is like ) but should be (at moment the whole logo looks like )^-^) but should be like (^-^)
sorry to not be so clear but i am not native English speaker, and it's difficult for me to express clearly what i am trying to say, if i have time next days I'll do some sketch to be more clear but i hope you can understand what i am saying without that ;)
This was the concave/convex discussion. We came to the conclusion that the current way of drawing both wings is not wrong (perspective wise) and the artists likes the convex+concave wings more.
Just to explain the perspective: Get some tube and cut it to get something which looks like a halfpipe. Now take it and try get the same perspective used in the logo (put the "tube" horizontally in front of you, the open part of the "halfpipe" directly facing you and move your head slightly to the right). You will see that one end looks like a convex curve and the other one like a concave one.
Kind regards, Sven
Hey Gioacchino,
you may be right that the perspective may be correct the other way. It depends on the interpretation.
We have played with a convex left wing but did not like it, it looked rather humble and fat.
Therefore we decided to keep it like that.
A bat wearing sunglasses is not the most realistic thing either, don't you think? ;) Therefore I'd like to ask to excuse this unrealistic detail.
Cheers, Simon
On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 12:20:41PM +0200, Gioacchino Mazzurco wrote:
yes but this is not a cutted tube
for the perspective I think that the shape shouldn't be affected so much, yes it is influenced but not so much like in the logo
2011/10/2 Sven Eckelmann sven@narfation.org:
On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:25:57 Gioacchino Mazzurco wrote:
mmm the front shape of the two wings is different
the front of the left shape is like ) but should be (at moment the whole logo looks like )^-^) but should be like (^-^)
sorry to not be so clear but i am not native English speaker, and it's difficult for me to express clearly what i am trying to say, if i have time next days I'll do some sketch to be more clear but i hope you can understand what i am saying without that ;)
This was the concave/convex discussion. We came to the conclusion that the current way of drawing both wings is not wrong (perspective wise) and the artists likes the convex+concave wings more.
Just to explain the perspective: Get some tube and cut it to get something which looks like a halfpipe. Now take it and try get the same perspective used in the logo (put the "tube" horizontally in front of you, the open part of the "halfpipe" directly facing you and move your head slightly to the right). You will see that one end looks like a convex curve and the other one like a concave one.
Kind regards, Sven
hehehe ok ;)
2011/10/2 Simon Wunderlich simon.wunderlich@s2003.tu-chemnitz.de:
Hey Gioacchino,
you may be right that the perspective may be correct the other way. It depends on the interpretation.
We have played with a convex left wing but did not like it, it looked rather humble and fat.
Therefore we decided to keep it like that.
A bat wearing sunglasses is not the most realistic thing either, don't you think? ;) Therefore I'd like to ask to excuse this unrealistic detail.
Cheers, Simon
On Sun, Oct 02, 2011 at 12:20:41PM +0200, Gioacchino Mazzurco wrote:
yes but this is not a cutted tube
for the perspective I think that the shape shouldn't be affected so much, yes it is influenced but not so much like in the logo
2011/10/2 Sven Eckelmann sven@narfation.org:
On Sunday 02 October 2011 09:25:57 Gioacchino Mazzurco wrote:
mmm the front shape of the two wings is different
the front of the left shape is like ) but should be (at moment the whole logo looks like )^-^) but should be like (^-^)
sorry to not be so clear but i am not native English speaker, and it's difficult for me to express clearly what i am trying to say, if i have time next days I'll do some sketch to be more clear but i hope you can understand what i am saying without that ;)
This was the concave/convex discussion. We came to the conclusion that the current way of drawing both wings is not wrong (perspective wise) and the artists likes the convex+concave wings more.
Just to explain the perspective: Get some tube and cut it to get something which looks like a halfpipe. Now take it and try get the same perspective used in the logo (put the "tube" horizontally in front of you, the open part of the "halfpipe" directly facing you and move your head slightly to the right). You will see that one end looks like a convex curve and the other one like a concave one.
Kind regards, Sven
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Hey there,
we've declared this version official now and also have a little news entry on the open-mesh.org website. The logos are available for download as well. Good job! :D
One thing we could still do is to replace the redmine favicon with our custom version. I gave it some tries and created some versions, but all of them were really ugly. ;)
If anyone is good in drawing icons and can squeeze our bat (or just the head, or anything) into a 16x16 pixel logo, please don't hesitate to send one to us. ;)
Cheers Simon
On Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 11:47:04PM +0200, Simon Wunderlich wrote:
Hello Franz,
thank you very much for your work! It looks really great and smooth!
Sven is currently at my place, so we have worked on some details together:
- We've changed the glasses a little in some details
- We have added an outline version to have the black logos on black/dark T-Shirts. :)
- We have shortened the tail a little so that the outline does not create some "closed holes"
- Seems we have decided on the "small" feet
Regarding your comments:
- I'd like to keep it in the concave version for the left wing. We have tried the convex version (both might be somehow correct ;] ), but we like the original version more.
- The ears look great the way you drew them!
Our version is uploaded here:
http://packetmixer.de/batlogo2/
We should keep the svg version as the "original"/"only" version and convert bitmaps from it if required.
I hope everybody liks this version, we can keep this then as the final version.
Cheers Simon
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 04:35:28PM +0200, fboehm wrote:
Am 2011-09-29 11:35, schrieb Sven Eckelmann:
On Thursday 29 September 2011 07:51:58 fboehm wrote:
attached you find my first try of vectorization and simplification of the smallfeet-version. It has very low vector count but perhaps it's already too much different to the artists concept.
Quite impressive work. I really like it. The wings look extreme good and the only "big" difference are the glasses (upper left frame, right earpiece), ears and back/tail.
Kind regards, Sven
Thanks Sven!
The upper left frame of the glasses has the wrong shape. But perhaps the glasses should anyway be kept more angular shaped as in the original version and also a little bit larger so that they overlap the head more. Perhaps this was the artists intention and I don't want to interpret it wrong :-)
But nevertheless I was thinking about two small modifications:
- Should the left wing also have a convex curve like the right wing
instead of a concave?
- Should the ears be a little bit curved like in the vector version
or straight lines like in the original version?
Regards, Franz
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