Has anyone been playing with BATMAN on WiMAX hardware? I have a project that I had to back burner for a while and I am getting ready to start active work again. I am looking to see if I can find a mini PCI WiMAX card that I can use in a Mesh AP, where WiMAX will be used for the backbone and both WiFi and 10/100 Ethernet for clients to connect to the AP. The idea is for drop-and-go network coverage in disaster areas or other places where you want to get connectivity up in a hurry. I have a dev board and am finally able to get some parts to help me work on it again. Power supply, PCI to MiniPCI adapter, PoE hardware, enclosure.. and of course a WiMAX card. I am also shopping for a WiFi card too, so recommendations there would be welcome. Though to be fair I haven't been googling on that much yet, the WiMAX backhaul is my main concern at the moment. Doing the WiFi AP part should be relatively easy as it is a mature technology w/r/t parts and drivers availability. Any advice? So far it seems that Intel has the greatest presence in my googling for WiMAX on Linux.
Thanks so much!
Tim LePes
Hello Tim,
unfortunately i have no experience with WiMAX, but as far as i know:
* WiMAX is not license-free like WiFi (means you need to BUY a license, at least in germany) * where is the technical advantage of WiMAX over WiFi? Sure, the advertisements say "50 km or 108 MBit/s", but they don't say "both at the same time". You can reach this with WiFi as well (with the right antennas and setup).
So my question is: Where do you see the advantages in WiMAX over WiFi?
I don't know if there is some mesh technology available (as in implemented) for WiMAX (as far as i know 802.16d?) or if there are adhoc-like modes available to let routing protocols like BATMAN work.
If you know more about WiMAX meshing i'd be very interested to hear. :)
best regards Simon
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:34:36AM -0600, Tim LePes wrote:
Has anyone been playing with BATMAN on WiMAX hardware? I have a project that I had to back burner for a while and I am getting ready to start active work again. I am looking to see if I can find a mini PCI WiMAX card that I can use in a Mesh AP, where WiMAX will be used for the backbone and both WiFi and 10/100 Ethernet for clients to connect to the AP. The idea is for drop-and-go network coverage in disaster areas or other places where you want to get connectivity up in a hurry. I have a dev board and am finally able to get some parts to help me work on it again. Power supply, PCI to MiniPCI adapter, PoE hardware, enclosure.. and of course a WiMAX card. I am also shopping for a WiFi card too, so recommendations there would be welcome. Though to be fair I haven't been googling on that much yet, the WiMAX backhaul is my main concern at the moment. Doing the WiFi AP part should be relatively easy as it is a mature technology w/r/t parts and drivers availability. Any advice? So far it seems that Intel has the greatest presence in my googling for WiMAX on Linux.
Thanks so much!
Tim LePes
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yupp got me kinda curious also, though you can definatley do stable long distance with wifi and the right antennas, what advantage really does wimax provide, if any. Overall id be very surprised if it was even really adopted. there are very few wimax capable laptops even now let alone desktops.
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Simon Wunderlich < simon.wunderlich@s2003.tu-chemnitz.de> wrote:
Hello Tim,
unfortunately i have no experience with WiMAX, but as far as i know:
- WiMAX is not license-free like WiFi (means you need to BUY a license,
at least in germany)
- where is the technical advantage of WiMAX over WiFi?
Sure, the advertisements say "50 km or 108 MBit/s", but they don't say "both at the same time". You can reach this with WiFi as well (with the right antennas and setup).
So my question is: Where do you see the advantages in WiMAX over WiFi?
I don't know if there is some mesh technology available (as in implemented) for WiMAX (as far as i know 802.16d?) or if there are adhoc-like modes available to let routing protocols like BATMAN work.
If you know more about WiMAX meshing i'd be very interested to hear. :)
best regards Simon
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:34:36AM -0600, Tim LePes wrote:
Has anyone been playing with BATMAN on WiMAX hardware? I have a project that I had to back burner for a while and I am getting ready to start active work again. I am looking to see if I can find a mini PCI WiMAX card that I can use in a Mesh AP, where WiMAX will be used for the backbone and both WiFi and 10/100 Ethernet for clients to connect to the AP. The idea is for drop-and-go network coverage in disaster areas or other places where you want to get connectivity up in a hurry. I have a dev board and am finally able to get some parts to help me work on it again. Power supply, PCI to MiniPCI adapter, PoE hardware, enclosure.. and of course a WiMAX card. I am also shopping for a WiFi card too, so recommendations there would be welcome. Though to be fair I haven't been googling on that much yet, the WiMAX backhaul is my main concern at the moment. Doing the WiFi AP part should be relatively easy as it is a mature technology w/r/t parts and drivers availability. Any advice? So far it seems that Intel has the greatest presence in my googling for WiMAX on Linux.
Thanks so much!
Tim LePes
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Hi,
we have some WiMax Cards but they are all PCMCIA. I may test them with Batman but I guess there will be serious driver problems in Linux. The cards where shipped with Windows drivers only and even those got some problems in the end. I agree with the others, that mesh in an WiMax system does not make sense (yet). WiMax is build for "infrastucture mode" the base station has the mayor task and is able to controll the clients in transmitting power, modulation etc. espacially in mobile Wimax (802.16e). The only case where mesh could come in is the communication between the Base stations, but that would be discrete links, so you don't really need a mesh. But I think you considerd this and you have an own concept for mesh in WiMax. Perhpas you could explain that to me (and the others)? I don't know anything about an adhoc mode for WiMax either.
Kind regards,
Tobi
Tim LePes:
Has anyone been playing with BATMAN on WiMAX hardware? I have a project that I had to back burner for a while and I am getting ready to start active work again. I am looking to see if I can find a mini PCI WiMAX card that I can use in a Mesh AP, where WiMAX will be used for the backbone and both WiFi and 10/100 Ethernet for clients to connect to the AP. The idea is for drop-and-go network coverage in disaster areas or other places where you want to get connectivity up in a hurry. I have a dev board and am finally able to get some parts to help me work on it again. Power supply, PCI to MiniPCI adapter, PoE hardware, enclosure.. and of course a WiMAX card. I am also shopping for a WiFi card too, so recommendations there would be welcome. Though to be fair I haven't been googling on that much yet, the WiMAX backhaul is my main concern at the moment. Doing the WiFi AP part should be relatively easy as it is a mature technology w/r/t parts and drivers availability. Any advice? So far it seems that Intel has the greatest presence in my googling for WiMAX on Linux.
Thanks so much!
Tim LePes
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Tobias Gieseke:
Hi,
we have some WiMax Cards but they are all PCMCIA. I may test them with Batman but I guess there will be serious driver problems in Linux. The cards where shipped with Windows drivers only and even those got some problems in the end. I agree with the others, that mesh in an WiMax system does not make sense (yet). WiMax is build for "infrastucture mode" the base station has the mayor task and is able to controll the clients in transmitting power, modulation etc. espacially in mobile Wimax (802.16e). The only case where mesh could come in is the communication between the Base stations, but that would be discrete links, so you don't really need a mesh. But I think you considerd this and you have an own concept for mesh in WiMax. Perhpas you could explain that to me (and the others)? I don't know anything about an adhoc mode for WiMax either.
Kind regards,
Tobi
Dang! Sorry Tim, I should have read your post "B.A.T.M.A.N Digest, Vol26, Issue 7" before answering. Thanks for the detailed information about your project. sounds interessting. Keep working on it ;-)
Regards,
Tobi
Tim LePes:
Has anyone been playing with BATMAN on WiMAX hardware? I have a project that I had to back burner for a while and I am getting ready to start active work again. I am looking to see if I can find a mini PCI WiMAX card that I can use in a Mesh AP, where WiMAX will be used for the backbone and both WiFi and 10/100 Ethernet for clients to connect to the AP. The idea is for drop-and-go network coverage in disaster areas or other places where you want to get connectivity up in a hurry. I have a dev board and am finally able to get some parts to help me work on it again. Power supply, PCI to MiniPCI adapter, PoE hardware, enclosure.. and of course a WiMAX card. I am also shopping for a WiFi card too, so recommendations there would be welcome. Though to be fair I haven't been googling on that much yet, the WiMAX backhaul is my main concern at the moment. Doing the WiFi AP part should be relatively easy as it is a mature technology w/r/t parts and drivers availability. Any advice? So far it seems that Intel has the greatest presence in my googling for WiMAX on Linux.
Thanks so much!
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