[B.A.T.M.A.N.] BATMAN routing

hlabishi kobo hlabishik at gmail.com
Wed Dec 1 10:46:10 CET 2010

HI marek

Thank you for considering this concept, i am working on the
implementation now. I would love to attend your IRC channel
discussions, just tell date and time.

Kind Regards

On 11/30/10, hlabishi kobo <hlabishik at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Marek and the BATMAN community.
> The idea is to prioritize recently received OGM's thus giving them
> more weight for the routing decisions. This is because they give a
> precise indication of the status of current situation of the link.
> BATMAN algorithm currently counts the number of received OGM's in a
> current sliding window and the link with the most OGM's becomes the
> best next-hop towards a that destination. A lot can happen within a
> second in an ad hoc wireless network. if a lot of OGM's where recorded
> at the beginning of the window range and less towards the end which be
> that the link was better at the beginning not at the end of the
> sliding window (current). This could be selected as the best as
> opposed to the one that recorded a lot of OGM's towards the end but
> less in total. e.g. suppose you have sliding window of 10, link 1
> records [1111100000]= 5 and link 2 [0000001111] = 4. link 1 will be
> chosen and as it stands the current best would have been link 2.
> The proposed concept prioritizes the recently received OGM's by giving
> them more weight. Thus we want to add the indexes of which an OGM was
> received in that interval. from the example above we would have link
> 1+2+3+4+5+6= 21 and link 2 7+8+9+10 = 34.
> Kind Regards
> Hlabishi
> On 11/29/10, hlabishi kobo <hlabishik at gmail.com> wrote:
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: hlabishi kobo <hlabishik at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:06:01 +0200
>> Subject: Fwd: BATMAN routing
>> To: lindner_marek at yahoo.de
>> Hi
>> Thank you very much for your reply. The reason why i sent this to you and
>> your colleague is that i have tried the mail list before and all my post
>> kept on being returned, i used this address
>> b.a.t.m.a.n-owner at lists.open-mesh.org. I would really appreciate it if
>> this
>> can reach the mailing list public (i will keep on trying). i will send
>> you
>> a
>> follow up on the  full explanation of the concept like you requested.
>> Regards
>> Hlabishi
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: <b.a.t.m.a.n-owner at lists.open-mesh.org>
>> Date: Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 12:58 AM
>> Subject: Fwd: BATMAN routing
>> To: hlabishik at gmail.com
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>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: hlabishi kobo <hlabishik at gmail.com>
>> To: b.a.t.m.a.n at lists.open-mesh.org
>> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 00:58:09 +0200
>> Subject: Fwd: BATMAN routing
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Marek Lindner <lindner_marek at yahoo.de>
>> Date: Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 5:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: BATMAN routing
>> To: hlabishi kobo <hlabishik at gmail.com>, Linus Lüssing <
>> linus.luessing at web.de>
>> Cc: siwu at hrz.tu-chemnitz.de
>> Hi,
>> welcome to the project! :-)
>>> Firstly my apologies for sending this email to your personal email. My
>> name
>>> is Hlabishi Isaac Kobo at the, an Msc computer science student at the
>>> University of the Western Cape in South Africa, I am doing a research on
>>> routing in a hybrid (combination of static and mobile dynamic routers)
>>> mesh.
>> I don't see a good reason to apologize, just wondering why you are not
>> sending
>> this mail to the public list ?
>>> I want to use the mesh potatoes as well as the batphone (android
>>> version of batman) to create a mesh model.
>> What is the "batphone" ? A project name or a nick name you invented ? :-)
>> Note: Various tests have shown that running a mobile device
>> (smartphone/tablet/etc) in adhoc mode plus running a mesh protocol on top
>> is
>> a
>> battery killer, hence not practical in real world scenarios (in addition
>> of
>> the hassle to install and configure the mesh software on each and every
>> device). This was one of the main reasons to start developing batman-adv
>> as
>> it
>> allows mobile devices to take advantage of the mesh (e.g. roaming)
>> without
>> having to run the mesh on the device itself.
>> You might be aware of this - I am just mentioning it because many people
>> are
>> not.
>>> First we say the recently received OGMs will give a clear indication on
>> the
>>> reliability on the link, so we give the recently received OGMs from the
>>> sliding window a priority in deciding the best next hop link towards a
>>> destination. We want to count and add the indexes were an OGM was
>>> recorded
>>> in an interval (seconds), (hence the recently received OGM will have
>>> more
>>> weight). At the end the link with more recent OGMs will have more weight
>>> and hence become the current best link.
>> This is a good idea. We are in the process of redesigning the current
>> protocol
>> and welcome any input. Giving older OGMs less "weight" was also one of
>> the
>> ideas we had. Would you mind explaining your concept in greater detail ?
>>> I went through the source code so many times and I got few questions
>>> about
>>> this:
>> Are we talking about the batman daemon source code or the batman-adv
>> kernel
>> module ? All my answers will refer to the kernel module as this is the
>> place
>> where most of the development is going on at the moment.
>>> 1. What structure is used to keep track of the sliding window?  If its
>>> the
>>> has how does it get updated based on the sliding packet range?
>> Each "struct orig_node" has a bitarray to keep track of its own seqnos
>> repeated by its neighbors (bcast_own) and each "struct neigh_node" having
>> a
>> bitarray for its own OGMs (real_bits).
>>> 2. How are the OGM's recorded, is in a form of binary where 1 will
>>> represent the received OGM and 0 otherwise?
>> Correct.
>>> 3. I looked in the source and still not sure of where the ranking
>> decisions
>>> are made, can you enlighten me on that?
>> You mean which function changes the route when a better neighbor was
>> found
>> ?
>> That would be update_orig() in routing.c.
>>> On the second approach we want to use mac layer stats to estimate the
>>> signal strength and probably the congestion rate of the top N ranked
>> links.
>>> We acknowledge the fact that usually links with lower signal strength
>>> will
>>> loose more OGM's which results in an automatic low rank, however in a
>>> frequently changing topology, current signal strength is crucial. We
>>> plan
>>> to use SNR or RSSI in this case.
>> The concept is known since a while but nobody has implemented it so far
>> because its implementation is fairly complex. Do you have an idea how it
>> should work in the end ?
>>> 1. How can i get the RSSI/LQI of th neighbor links?
>> I don't get this question. You intend to use RSSI but you don't know how
>> ?
>>> I would really appreciate your opinions and advices in this regard more
>>> specially how to go about implementing changes in BATMAN protocol.
>> This is a little abstract. Usually, we discuss specific concepts / ideas
>> in
>> our
>> IRC channel or on the mailing list long before starting to implement
>> them.
>> The
>> past has shown it is often better to let other people dive into your
>> ideas
>> and
>> comment because routing is a rather complex subject.
>> As I mentioned above: We are in a redesign phase right now and welcome
>> anyone
>> interested to join. As the next step we envisioned a collection of
>> routing
>> scenarios in which the current implementation behaves poorly. All routing
>> protocol changes have to go through this collection of scenarios to
>> estimate
>> its impact. What do you think about this idea ?
>> Regards,
>> Marek

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